Great Stories Don’t Always Equal Great Value

Ahh the cool, crisp, and curious air of October…okay, not quite yet on the east coast as temperatures will be in the high 80s today, but I think we’re getting there. With that said, I’ve decided to come back and do what I enjoy doing which is writing articles about comic books.

I will continue to write the stuff that YOU all want to read. Based on all of the amazing comments on my last several articles, you all seem to enjoy them. Thank you to all of my loyal and awesome readers. Your feedback in the comments gives me as much knowledge as I hope to give you.

 

 

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No relation to the article. Just an awesome cover that doesn't get enough love.

 

I know many of you love the articles where I give you speculation, value, and something to hunt, but I thought I’d go a different direction today. I want to talk about GOOD STORIES! Some of which have some value, but most of which don’t necessarily, but are still worth the hunt and read all the same.

You see it’s a shame, because a good story doesn’t typically coincide with value down the road. In fact in the past 30 years, I’d go as far as saying that first appearances, cool covers, and ratio/incentive variants truly have dictated the secondary market. So let’s venture back to what comic books are supposed to be all about; reading.

From 2000-2010, Marvel had a ton of excellent crossover events as well as multiple issue solo stories. A few of these still hold decent value, most can be found cheap, but all are great reads, and most of which tied together quite well and held stout continuity. Once again, outside of variants, most of these didn’t hold any real long-term value. But I’m sure someone will comment about the France comic books exclusive that has one single cover known to existence and sold for 45 million last month (don’t fact check). This will be spoiler free, though most of you surely have read these.

In 2005 House of M dropped as an eight-issue series. Issues #1, #4, #6 (Land variant as well), and issue #8 are all fantastic covers in my opinion. What’s better than any of the covers though is the story. Without giving any spoilers away…it boasts one of the most iconic lines in modern Marvel comics. This needs to be read by any fan of Marvel comics. None of these books have any real “value”, which just goes to show that the market cares very little about good and iconic stories. Online you can buy copies of #1 for less than $1.50 and the variants don’t sell much higher.

 

 

Piggybacking off of House of M, in 2006 X-Men: Deadly Genesis dropped as a six-part series. This series introduced us to Vulcan (an omega-level mutant), Darwin, and a few others. It’s a great read, and you would think that a first appearance of a relatively popular character (Vulcan) would have value. I mean he did appear in future events with the Inhumans as well as other X-Men events. Not to mention he is a part of the Summers family tree. Need I say more? Oh, and the fact that it ties in with Giant Size X-Men #1. Now, need I say more? Less than $5 for #1 on eBay.

 

 

Cut to 2007, where one of my favorite X-Men stories of all time dropped; The Messiah Complex. A 13 chapter X-crossover, which appeared in Uncanny X-men, X-Factor, New X-Men, X-Men, as well as the one-shot Messiah Complex title. This story introduces us to another Omega Level mutant in Hope Summers…another part of the Summers family tree? Adopted, but I digress.

Great artwork and great storytelling that has close ties to House of M. Sadly, another great story that just doesn’t have great value. Hope’s first appearance can be purchased for around $8 and #1 can be bought for under $5. The “RARE” second print of #205 has sold as low as $14.99.

 

In 2006, Nitro, the lamest of lame caused absolute chaos in Civil War. This critically acclaimed seven-part series, would go on to change the Marvel Universe.

It pitted two friends against each other, killed off characters, and had a film loosely based off of it.

These books saw a spike when the MCU released the film, but they have since dropped back down to Earth. Michael Turner did variants for each issue (2 for issue #1), and Ed McGuinness did a variant for #3.

Regardless, the killer Turner covers would typically be the selling point here, if the story wasn’t so damn good. The standard copy of #1 is a $3 comic.

The only variants worth much more are the two Turner #1s which will cost you $20-$40.

 

 

World War Hulk in 2007 was excellent. This five-part event follows suit to Planet Hulk, and the Illuminati (first appearing in New Avengers #7) banishing Hulk from Earth.

Hulk returns, wholly p!$$ed off, and havoc is wreaked. A bunch of cool covers, highlighted by Turners Aspen Comics #1.

This story also continued to show what Marvel could do with the Sentry if only someone would do him the right way. #1 is a $3 book.

 

 

In 2008, they gave us the terrific eight issue series in Secret Invasion. These books saw a little spike with the Captain Marvel film, but I honestly have no idea what they’re going to do with the Skrulls in the MCU. A skrull take-over on Earth, and nobody knows who to trust. The return of Steve Rogers, while throwing in an unlikely “hero”, and that’ll take you right to Dark Reign. Another $3 book.

 

 

2008 also brought us one of the finest 7 issue stretches in modern comic books I’ve ever read. Wolverine #66 #72, aka the introduction to Old Man Logan. These books have “held” some value, and sky-rocketed when the Logan film dropped. Once again, the Turner cover (notice the 2000s trend?) is the book to have out of this stretch. I’ve wrote about this series a ton, and there really isn’t more I can say that hasn’t already been said, but what happens in issue #70 is haunting. This book goes to show wolverine fandom is still crazy. #1 can be found for $10-$25 and the Turner variant to #1 is going to run you $100+.

 

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Some Honorable Mentions Include:

  • Spider-Man: The Other
  • Spider-Man Brand New Day
  • Siege
  • Marvel Zombies
  • Dark Reign

 

Of course I wouldn’t leave you without a book to keep your eye on when you’re out hunting. Marville #5. A fantastic Greg Horn cover mixed with a story that I know nothing about.

It’s said to be rare and recalled due to the “explicit” image, but come one, you see worse than that when you turn on the Kardashians. I’m also not 100% sure if it was actually recalled or not. Surely this was a low-print comic book, and eBay prices are all over the place.

That being said, if you do a little hunting, there’s a good chance you could find this in a dollar bin. I have…twice.

 

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Also, a side-note. Since it is the month of the greatest Holiday of all, I'll leave you with a fine late 2000's X-Force story in Necrosha. This boasted some excellent horror movie homage covers which would be quite fun to hunt down for any horror/vampire enthusiasts. #23 may be a tad difficult.

 

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Lost Boys homage

 

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Interview with the Vampire homage

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From Dusk Til Dawn homage

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Underworld homage

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Blade Trinity homage

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Bram Stokers Dracula homage

 

As always thanks for visiting the City Supreme. Let me know some of your favorite 2000's stories in the comments below. Or you can just comment to say what’s up. I can guarantee that your comments are being read and you will get a response. Even if you give me a good “F**k you buddy”! I won't be offended.

 

32 comments

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    The whole run of Horn covers for Marville are hot and sexy.

    Other than issue #5, the rest kind of give off a pedophile feel since MJ is portrayed as being really young LOL.

    Issue #7 being released 3 months late make it pretty hard to find as well.

    The story however is simply atrocious arguably the crappies comic ever written haha.

    Was always a fan of those Necrosha movie variants! Nice job on mentioning those.

    All really great stories there man. I really enjoyed X-men Deadly Genesis. And one of my all time favorite stories at marvel is Secret Invasion.

    Please Marvel make SI into a movie or better yet the back story to phase 5!

    Great article bud! Thanks!

    • A. J. Diesel

      Haha I’ve never read the Marville story so I will take your word for it.

      It would be pretty cool to see SI on the big screen, but that opens the door for every character that has ever died to return lol. And MCU biggest knock is that there are no significant deaths. I mean the huge final
      Battle in Endgame, and only Tony dies? And by his own hand nonetheless.

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    F**k you buddy! I kid. I kid. One recommendation from me, especially with the Joker movie coming out today, is the Joker graphic novel from 2008 by Azzarello and Bermejo. I recently picked up the Black Label version thinking it was a new story. I was disappointed to find out it was just a new printing of the one that I already owned. I sat and read it again. Good stuff. The story is told from the standpoint of one of Joker’s thugs after Joker gets out of Arkham. I don’t think there are loose issues. I’m pretty sure this was straight to graphic novel. Great story though. I will give away my extra copies to one of my friends.

    • Dan Piercy

      Jshannon – you are correct. The Azz/Bermejo Joker book was never released as single issues. It’s first iteration was as a hard cover book.

    • A. J. Diesel

      You’ve got me there. I’m certainly more of a Marvel guy, but I’m now going to look into that suggestion! Thanks for the info Jshannon and Piercy!

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        I’m a Batman guy with his associated side characters and villains. I don’t really care about the rest of DC very much. I’ve tried. Aside from him my favorites are from Marvel.

    • Father_fanboy

      I made the same mistake! Thought it was a new story too…oh well, least it’s a nice hardcover.

      Also pretty hilarious reference to last week’s comments section (I can’t get over how upset that guy was at your article,or attitude, or whatever the hell he was mad about lol).

      I would guess the main reason these aren’t so expensive is because they’re pretty easy to find. Stories with huge advertising lead-ins tend to have massive print runs so pretty much everyone that wants one, has one. The best selling books of any given year are typically not the most expensive books to collect for that reason. I agree that many of these stories were very cool (and were the better events of their day) but they were so heavily advertised and anticipated that there’s a lot of copies out there now.

  • Topher

    And this is why I laugh when people yap about the full appearance being worth more than cameos. Story rarely matters long term, it is the image that matters, well that and rarity. When you think of Wolverine does 181’s story cone to mind? No. It’s the cover, the image that is collectible. This remains true today. So far Power of x and House of x are the current modern exception and that is great! the hobby is about reading too, it just serves a different purpose but don’t tell me that the story matters that much when it comes to selling.
    Nice article.

    • Dan Piercy

      Visual image, in the past, has always trumped story, true. But it’s story that leads to movies and shows being made or the synergy of art/story, at least. And, honestly, it’s story that leads to the great visuals. Chicken or egg, anyone?

    • A. J. Diesel

      I couldn’t agree more Topher. I have my squabbles certainly, but one trend that always stands true in my thoughts that nobody seems to pay for a good story.

      Just like you said, people only remember the “iconic” image or moment of legitimacy.

      When you say Wolverine, you’re absolutely right, my head goes to #181. But when I really start thinking about and appreciating the character, I think X-Men #133 and Wolvie laying waste to the Hellfire goons haha.

      But when I’m giving advice, I’ve gotta tell people to forget about story, because it rarely holds value.

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      Recently, the hobby has split into comic book readers and cover collectors. There are certainly those who overlap, but we can’t generalize that image trumps content.

      • A. J. Diesel

        Well said David, well said.

      • Topher

        If we are talking money image trump’s content most of the time.

        • Gary Nusser

          I might throw scarcity into that conversation as well. There are a lot of gorgeous images that were massively over-printed and are just waiting to be plucked. I think each book has to be taken on its own merits- and when there is a synergy amongst the cover, guts and availability, we see books that start to hit that collectibility threshold. Also, I think you have to consider character/publisher as many ‘hot’ indy covers spike and then flatline unless there is on going storyline content that warrants continued interest.

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      First Wolverine app is collectable because there were loads of great stories with the character that followed. If there were no good stories, then no one would care for 181, good cover or not.
      We all might have 1st appearances of Aero or Swordmaster but if every story featuring them is rubbish, then they will remain worthless. Even if the print run is low or the cover is great.

      • A. J. Diesel

        Yeah you are right about that. Does take a good creative team for a character to develop a following.

        But look at Spider-Gwen. Her first app is still hot, yet her issue runs continue to be a failure. Her series continues to be rebooted almost yearly.

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          I’d say long term Spider-Gwen is a bad spec. If there isn’t anything there that people really love what are you left with? A bunch of middle aged men spec-ing on a book that they don’t like.
          It’s easily rectified if they put a good writer on the book I guess.

  • Ben C

    I really dig that Xforce Necrosha variant, love the art style.

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    Enjoyed the article…defiantly have a few new books on my wishlist now. Keep up the good work, it’s appreciated. Give that elderly woman a hug on Saturday for me.

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    Grant Morrison owned the 00s. New X-Men, 52, Batman RIP, and Final Crisis belong near the top of any list of best comics of that decade.

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    I know you merely tossed the Dark Wolverine cover up there just for looks, but the series is actually pretty decent. I picked up a low bid lot of 16 Dark Wolverine books and was not disappointed in the least, for the first time checking it out.

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    Another well written very informative piece. Thanks for taking time to talk about whats inside the books. Always appreciate others opinions on the goodness or greatness of stories/events.

  • Slanthook

    Another great article AJ! I’m excited to see HOX/POX stirring up some excitement due to story. It definitely feels like the current trend in our hobby is more focused on cover and rarity with fewer readers. Based on your article, it will be interesting to see what happens with HOX/POX after the story ends. Likely it will be remembered as a good story, but I bet the current values will drop.

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    Planet hulk was a good story. Loved how he was able to get his revenge in world war hulk. I collect Turner work and it’s crazy to think of how many big events he did covers for.

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