Variant Heat Check for 9/5/18

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Detective Comics #880 Foil Variant

HEAT CHECK STATUS: pepperpepperpepperpepper

Tons of sales of this foil variant over the weekend, with raws getting $50-60 and double signed Jock/Snyder going for $70-90 (with no COA!). What’s most interesting is that the foil variant is pushing the regular cover up to almost $250 raw. That’s how is should be!

 

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Saga #1 Fourth Print Variant

HEAT CHECK STATUS: pepperpepperpepper

There’s been a lot of debate on what is going to happen to the prices of Saga while it goes on its year long hiatus. Only one sale for $200, but there just aren’t that many fourth prints for sale. I guess time will tell, but I’d be holding onto this one.

 

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Hulk #7 1:25 Marquez Variant

HEAT CHECK STATUS: pepperpepperpepper

My favorite cover from the Deadpool photobomb covers, this book has slowly become a ghost and is now a $200+ raw book. Pretty amazing considering how many times this McFarlane cover has been swiped.

 

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Note: Variants appearing in the Top 10 will not appear on this list due to contractual obligations.

 

105 comments

  • Reprints are “variants”?

  • If the cover is different, then yes a reprint can be considered a variant.

    If the cover is identical and the only difference is the bar code numbering or a mention inside the indicia like old school comics than that is a true reprint.

    I don’t mind if the market marks a later print as a variant if the cover is different because technically it is a variant of the original.

    • I couldn’t disagree more. Reprints are definitely not “variants” of the original. Throwing on some foil, changing the coloring of the title font, and/or turning a splash page from the first printing into a cover is just putting lipstick on a pig and is a rather crass way for publishers to sell unoriginal, reprinted material.

  • A reprint is not a variant. It’s a reprint. Why is this even being questioned?

    • Ben C

      Do you consider the (far too many) Walking Dead #1 variant reprints from a myriad of Conventions done over the last few years to be straight reprints? Can a reprint also be a variant?

      • A reprinting of an original aka reprint can also be called/known as a variant.. like Marvel Legends action figure toy packs … comes with a comic and a figure.. Usually the comic contents are the same with the vintage cover altered a little… that’s a reprint of the original story plus variation of the cover.. even if it’s not a cover change… usually there’s a not for resale… but they wouldn’t make it a facsimile .. like Fantastic Four 52 reprint that was made to look aged from 2005

  • Ben C

    var·i·ant
    ˈverēənt/
    noun
    noun: variant; plural noun: variants

    a form or version of something that differs in some respect from other forms of the same thing or from a standard.

    ————————————————————————-

    Just stirring the debate up…

    That said, Foiling of a cover, making it a virgin cover by removing all text, even later printings with the same cover with subtle differences are by definition variants…

    I do agree with the whole lipstick on a pig thing, doesnt change the Mexican reprint variants, the foiling of super hot covers, or even the reprinting of books like BA 12 for a convention promo… I am not a fan of most of them, but doesn’t change the market reaction or the fact that they are in fact variants right?

    I remember having a similar discussion/debate about price variants both UK Pence versions as well as actual test market (.30 vs .25 and .35 vs .30) comics…

    Either way, I appreciate the info Keith!! Let the debate rage on 🙂

    • According to all publishing definitions and norms, a reprint is not a “variant”. A reprint is a reprint, which is a different “state” from the original first printing. Therefore it is not and cannot be called a “variant” of the first printing. It’s getting kind of old seeing people trying to attach the word “variant” to things that are not for the sole purpose of trying to create the illusion of additional “value”.

    • Foxom

      Well the Pence versions were printed 1st, so are all of our books from the 70’s reprints or variants!?!?

  • To me the only thing that should be considered a straight up “reprint” is if it’s exactly the same as the original (as most legit books are) only noted somewhere in or on the comic that it’s a “reprint”.
    If they change the cover, the design, the colors, anything… then yes, it’s still a reprint, but it’s also a variant to the original which is what ALL variants are…. different from the original main A cover.
    If it doesn’t look exactly the same as the standard cover = variant, whether from release date or a later reprint doesn’t matter.

    • “A straight up reprint” would be a facsimile. A printing is one print run of a book. If a second run is made, that would be a 2nd printing. A variant would be something that differentiates books within the same printing, such as cover wraps changing. If there is only one type during a print run there wouldn’t be a variant, it would only be a 2nd Print (or later).

  • Jason S

    well either way…..I think the Foil cover of 880 will drive the regular cover of 880 even higher…….just my thinking…

  • Can’t we just all get along and call them Reprint Variants………..

  • In reality it is not even a point of debate. Comic books are books and the same publishing vernacular applies. Other people who actually know about publishing will understand this. People can believe in whatever fallacy they want but that doesn’t change reality. In the world of rare books something as seemingly as minor as a dot or period after the publisher insignia or a different Roman numeral can determine which “state” a book is and make the difference in thousands or tens of thousands of dollars. Reprints are not “variants” of first printings. They never have been called or considered that and they never will be because it is factually false. Period.

    • Marvel actually labels their 2nd and 3rd prints as variants lately. I get it that there might be definitions but in a hobby we’re there aren’t set rules for what is a 1st Appearance vs a cameo and even then the value of the books are often dictated by what the general public deems to be the more important book, I’m not so sure you can go by strict definitions of reprint and variant.

      • Marvel calling them “2nd print variants” is just a crass marketing ploy to sell more books. They can call them “beavers” and that doesn’t make them beavers lol.

        Again, anyone familiar with the publishing industry knows this. Reprints are not “variants” of first prints. Just because there are a couple of people who don’t know about the publishing industry are trying to make a point doesn’t mean there is a legitimate debate going on. Verifying e everything I have said can easily be done with a google search. I would post some links myself but the site won’t let me.

        • You know what else can be googled? That 9-11 was a US govt conspiracy and the moon landings were fake. But at least we do agree that reprints with variant covers are money grabs.

        • i totally get what you’re saying, but if you stray for a second from black and white definitions, if the inside is exactly the same but the cover hmmm… varies, how can you say it’s not a variant??
          Exact same cover = Reprint
          Different cover = Variant or Reprint/Variant which perhaps should be a new category since as mentioned even Marvel now labels them as variants.

          • The inside is not the same. Reprints are signified in their interior indicia (or in the UPC, or both) depending on the publisher. Actual variants of books that are not reprints will have the original indicia.
            Again, standard publishing techniques that signify later printings, which means they are NOT “variants” of the first printing.

    • Ben C

      It clearly is a point of debate as the debate is happening right now…

      If the market is calling a comic a variant, then it is what it is. Not sure about your stance on “factually false” when the fact is the definition of variant is posted above and strongly disagrees with your “other people who actually know about publishing statement.”

      Always open for a good discussion or debate but its getting tiresome to have people jumping in declaring their point of view is correct and others who disagree are wrong “period”…

    • It is just “realtor speak” = a co-ption of an actual term used to sell something that isn’t (an actual whatever). It’s BS and no, that’s not a bungalow 😉

  • What about facsimiles? Are they reprints?

  • Mike Morello

    1st: i have been a rare book collector for 25 years. The point about publishing is moot since there is no such collecting term as variant in the rare book collecting hobby. They are states or printings. Period. The two (comics and books) are not equal and do not use the same vernacular. We don’t use the term states in comics, either. I.e., not relevant.

    2nd: most later print variants are MUCH rarer than their original printings. There’s no reason to deny a value for that rarity. Sometimes the reprint variant is more sought after than its original printing, as a result.

    3rd: The definition of the word variant is a non-debatable point. I have degrees in English from Oxford University and Columbia University and am an English teacher. There is no need to argue a definition of a word unless one wants to make a case to the OED to change or add an alternate definition. The process is long and arduous, I assure you.

    • Sorry bud but you’re completely wrong lol. We may not use the term “state” specifically in the comic book world but it has ththe same meaning as a subsequent printing. And just like subsequent printings (“states”) of books have signifiers to tell you it is a SECOND PRINTING (or later) so do comic books.

      Comic books are still books.

      Good talk.

      • And oh yeah, good luck in trying to convince that guy trying to sell his first printing of War and Peace that the second printing with the completely different indicia, printing place, etc is really just a “variant” of his first printing and should be valued more because there might be a few less of them printed (something not at all uncommon in the publishing world either FYI).

        • Mike Morello

          Lol. Nice try, though.

        • Trying to stay constructive so in the rare book world, are there any instances where the 2nd print is worth more than the 1st print? Because again, I’d argue the difference is that in the comic book world, it is the market that determines value. And there are times that a 2nd or 3rd print is more valuable than the 1st print. Collectors latch on to some crazy 1st print, 2nd half cameo in the shadows or whatever they want, regardless of dictionary definitions of reprint and variant.

          • Mike Morello

            Yes, please, see below.

          • that’s rare though… there’s maybe 15-20 comics out there of all later printings that are worth more than the first in ALL of modern comics…

            so many comics get multiple printings in this day in age… more so than the 90s even 2000s… it’s all about the money.. and making sure readers get their fix 😉

        • This is a really interesting discussion and I know I’m repeating myself, but I truly think that if it varies in any way even the slightest then it’s a variant. Plain and simple. Might be a reprint but it’s also a variant at the same time.

  • Mike Morello

    Everything I’ve said is fact. Feel free to argue with conjecture if you like. It’s super fun to read. I know plenty of rare book collectors that collect every state and “variant” of specific titles solely becsuse they offer new or different material. In some cases, they are rarer and more costly like, for instance, the 2nd states of A Christmas Carol, for instance. The only difference there is the color of endpapers, a change in the stave 1 heading and green instead of blue on the title page. It bears a later date, yet it is vastly more sought after than the 1st printing. Or the same book in its 11th printing when the cloth changed from brown to red. It is rarer and more costly than the previous 9 printings because red is more “Christmasy” than brown.

    • Okay so you’ve just moved the goal posts. And naturally it’s just another massive swing and a miss for you (apologies for the mixed metaphors). The original point is that nowhere in the publishing world are second printings/states called “variants” by anybody.

      And sorry, but no, comic book pump and dumpers attempting to conflate the terms either through ignorance or malice do not count. Wanna know why? The publishers are VERY clear about it in their indicias and other signifying information within their books. Whatever kind of book we are talking about. You don’t even want to know what kind of blowback ANY publisher would receive if they ever tried to pass off a subsequent state or printing of a book as a first state. And oh yeah, a forgerer trying to alter a second print into a first print and sell it as such will get you federal time.

      • Oh and to answer how often a second print of a book is seriously more valuable than any first print- practically never. Yes extreme outliers exist, as in with everything, but they are just that, extreme outliers.

      • The original point is that nowhere in the publishing world are second printings/states called “variants” by anybody….

        Except for the publishing company called Marvel who states their reprints are variant editions?

        • I’ve already responded to that up top. They can call them “beavers” if they want to sell a few more books. Open the inside and it will tell you it is a REPRINT.

          • An by the way what would those be “variants” of exactly? The first printing. No one on here (or at least not me) has ventured to say anything so patently wrong.

          • Well, you said no one in the publishing world uses variant on a reprint. And as for the “beavers” – just because I can find a website that says the moon landings are fake doesn’t make that true either. I get the point you are making with a beaver, but that is a far more distinct line than reprint/variant.

            Look, I understand that there are these “rules” of the publishing world. My point of view is that applying those hard and fast rules to comic books doesn’t work. Most everyone on here agrees that a reprint can be considered a variant. So that is my evidence – as with all things comic related, it is the market that determines the value/standards.

        • it could be called a variant if the same printing were wrapped with multiple covers/book jackets….it would be first print (or 2nd, etc…) cover A and first print cover B, and so on. but the minute they run the presses again it would become the next printing. If they only run one type of 3rd printing…it is exactly that–a 3rd printing.

          Yes, technically, a later printing or edition might be a variation of another printing or edition because it is, in fact, different.

          Also, technically, a cube, sphere, and pyramid are all the same thing…topologically speaking.

      • Mike Morello

        You are absolutely entitled to your opinion. I fully respect it. However, facts are facts. I learned a long time ago, the hard way, to research fully and exhaustively. No swings and misses, here. Everything I’ve stated is pure fact and easily researchable by anyone. I see no reason for conjecture or emotion.

        • Yes facts are facts. So simple question – are second printings of books considered “variants” of the first printing anywhere in the publishing world ? Simple question.

          • And do please point out one single thing I’ve said in addition to that which isn’t factual. I’ll wait.

          • Mike Morello

            Nope, I’ve already stated that. The vernaculars of the two hobbies are different. I.e., the vernaculars are not relatable. If comics used “states,” I could see an argument. However, they do not. Therefore, arguing the use of “variant” lies solely with its dictionary definition. As such, by definition, yes, all variations of printings, regardless of hobby, would consequently be “variants,” whether or not it is an acceptable term within the jargon of said hobby.

  • At this point, I feel like the guy on the left side here: https://youtu.be/zfhZSbfdF9g

  • I hate variants

  • Yup they’re variants.

  • @bcdawg97 The same publishing rules applies to comics as any other book. They arw registered, copyrighted, archived, etc just as any other book. And just like any other book they include indicia that specifically tell you when something is not a first printing. Even marvel calls those books “2nd printing” right on the cover. Just because they put the word “variant” on there doesn’t make it one. What is it supposed to be a “variant” of? The first printing ? No. Says so right on the cover. It is just marketing BS to sell people reprints.

    • Well, like I said, at least we agree it is marketing to take people’s money. You can scream “rules” all you want but unfortunately, it really about the market and semantics – which we won’t agree on. An equally valid point is that by the “rules” of a dictionary – they are variants.

  • @Mike Morello You’re being pedantic. And you didn’t answer the question. NO there are not multiple or varying terms in the publishing world for books. A first print is always a first print. And a reprint is always a reprint. At this point you are being dishonest and disingenuous and it is pretty obvious at this point what you are trying to do.

    Peace.

    • Mike Morello

      I absolutely answered the question, simply and concisely with the word “nope.” I’m not sure what you think I’m “trying to do” or how stating facts is “dishonest.”

      • Great then we agree reprints are not “variants” of first printings.

        The rest of what you said is just a bunch of opinionated “blah” that I would expect to see in an ebay listing of a seller trying to sell a reprint as a “variant”. Your statements about what pump and dumpers might try to say or call something carries no weight in this debate. Comic BOOKS are still BOOKS, with indicia that tell you when they are REPRINTS (which as we have already agreed are not “variants” of the first printing).

  • Mike Morello

    As far as your factual representation, I make no assumptions of your education in the field(s) nor of your research tools. I was merely confirming my own and giving concrete examples to back them up.

    Your having argued the facts I stated is based on conjecture and emotion. I never said you were “wrong” or that you had “swings and misses.” My initial response was not aimed at anyone in particular, but at the topic itself. You chose to take personal umbrage and respond directly to me (which, as a note, I have no particular problem with).

    This is a healthy discussion. I’d very much like to keep it that way.

  • Mike Morello

    Additionally, rare books over almost 2 centuries have used marketing ploys to make profits. For instance, in order to sell old (or misprinted) copies of books, extra/unsold copies were often recalled and new print stamps added to title pages or differing dustjackets applied in order to make them seem “fresh.”

    Also, during the Victorian period, dates were often pushed up to the next year on title pages in order to meet the fashion of having the most current copies available as the “latest” version (unlike today where we want the oldest copies). By doing this, copies could remain “in vogue” for as much as two years because they had falsified dates. This is just as duplicitous as Marvel adding the words “Variant Edition” to their later print covers.

  • Strict definitions (which I totally agree with btw) aside, let’s say someone asks you “Hey, this one says Batman #24 and this this one says Batman #24, what’s the difference?
    You’ll probably answer, “well, this is the original, first printing and this is a reprint with a different cover (or variant cover)
    Jesus, that’s all we’re saying, Yes, they are reprints but they have a different cover to the original thus it’s a variant, it can’t be anything else but a variant.
    Only if it was a 1 to 1, exact copy, with the only indication of it being a “2nd, 3rd, whatever number printing”, then you’d say “Oh, it’s a reprint”, and guess what? No one would ask cause they’d look exactly the same. If it varies it’s a variant, may be a reprint, but it’s also a variant!!

    • A ” variant” of what?

      • The first printing? No. Reprints aren’t “variants” of first printings regardless of what the cover is. Reprints pretty much always differ from first printings in one way or another, be they comics or other books. It’s often how publishers identify them as reprints. The only thing they are “variants” of, however are ways to separate money from your wallet while purchasing a reprint lol.

  • Ben C

    Since my site will not let me us a pic of a dead horse being beaten, I will simply put out the definition again…

    var·i·ant
    ˈverēənt/
    noun
    noun: variant; plural noun: variants

    a form or version of something that differs in some respect from other forms of the same thing or from a standard.

    Like I said before, I appreciate a good discussion, disagreement, or debate. But when people decide to blindly defend and get upset at others because they view them as less intelligent, I weep for the current state of comics and the community of speculators and investors.

    I’ll echo myself again here and just say THANKS KEITH, GOOD JOB, MOST OF US APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU PUT INTO THESE COLUMNS TO BRING US THE MARKET REPORT.

  • When the first printing comes out you have covers A,B,C …. So that will be a standard A cover and the two other covers released on the same day. We agree those are variants??
    So two weeks later the same damn book is printed/released again, same exact book from two weeks ago but with yet another different cover.
    Now most people “in the know” will be aware that it’s a reprint, but it will still be viewed at the end of the day as another variant cover, which is why most anybody buys these reprints for books (especially the Marvel ones) that don’t really sell out, for the collectable variant/different/unique cover.
    All I’m saying is that while the insides is indeed a reprint of the original, the outside is yet another variant cover.

    • Again, no. You’re conflating reprints with actual variants of the first printing. They are not the same. Sorry.

      • Nobody is saying they are the same thing – that, however, does not mean they are all not variants. Carrots and beans aren’t the same thing but they are both vegetables. You say Marvel calling a 2nd print a variant is meaningless but you determining a 2nd print is not a variant IS meaningful is hypocritical. ..and comics are not books the Federal Government classifies them differently, as does the Post Office, the Tax Office, Libraries etc., etc. etc.

        • What are they “variants” of?

          • That’s been answered for you multiple times. Willfully Obtuse is not a fragrance from Calvin Klein but some people wear it like one.

          • No, it hasn’t been answered. Where has it been answered. Those reprints are “variants” of what ? Your vivid imagination? The same place where you believe someone has already answered the question? Nice try. No one has answered the question because the only possible answer is to dishonestly conflate reprints with bona fide variants of the first print. And as we have learned today, reprints are not “variants” of first prints. Ever. But keep up the pump buddy.

          • Can’t reply directly but it has been answered specifically here: http://prntscr.com/kr9ina and here: http://prntscr.com/kr9izu

            Question for Baltizar G – define variant.

        • Pretty sure a legume (bean) is a fruit / peas are vegetables 😉

    • “All I’m saying is that while the insides is indeed a reprint of the original, the outside is yet another variant cover.”

      In some instances this isn’t true, especially with Marvel. They sometimes determine that they are going to do a second print prior to printing the “1st Print” – sometimes they will even do this if they only think they may need to do a 2nd print – they print extra of the insides during the first printing and then attach a 2nd printing cover later. It is significantly cheaper to keep printing presses going than to re-setup and print more later. So sometimes the interior of a 2nd print is actually from the original printing. So technically not a reprint at all.

      • Lol You should be a fiction writer.
        Marvel “pre-prints” un-ordered material in advance for use for reprints before the original hits the stands for the sole purpose of attaching a different cover and calling it a reprint ?

        That is complete and total BS buddy.

        • It actually isn’t. There are instances of 1st and 2nd prints being released on the same day – not all for this reason. Again my understanding is that it is a Marvel practice; DC may do it as well but I’ve never heard specifically that they do.

          • Ah I see. Examples please ? And is this an extremely rare occurrence or something that happens on a monthly basis with multiple titles ? And why, exactly would a publisher release a first and second printing on the same day ? What would be the point of that since reprints basically only happen when the first printing sells out ? And as a practical matter, do you seriously consider a book like, say the third printing of TMNT 1 which has a slightly different bloody sword in the title, to be simply a “variant” of the first printing ? Or is it just a darn reprint? Which description do you think is the more honest and accurate one?

  • Iñigo

    Not getting into the discussion, but Baltizar, how do you call 2nd printings that come out the same day with multiple covers (like Life of Captain Marvel #1, for example)? Would one be a 2nd printing and the other a variant of the 2nd printing? Not trying to make a point because it’s a bit unrelated, just curious …

    • Deadpool Merc With A Mouth #7
      Dark Knights Batman The Merciless
      Valiant did this several times a couple years back with Faith, Archer and Armstrong
      I’m sure there are others.

      The same day release happens for different reasons – some instances just to sell more comics. With BM Merciless the 1st print had a special cover – demand was really high for that series – lead time to print was too great and they couldn’t print more of the special cover in time so they compensated with a reprint with a regular cover which could be printed in much less time.

    • Now that is an interesting point (the first valid one anyone on here has actually made lol). Sometimes (though not often at all) reprints are released with more than one cover. The most notable is the Saga 1 third printing. The publisher cover has a simple title font color change like the fourth printing pictured above, but Diamond privately commissioned its own cover for the third printing for one of its “retailer summits”. It has a third printing indicia and is coded as a third printing in the UPC on the back but is also coded as a “cover 2”. So could that “technically” be called a “variant” of the third printing? Maaaaaaybe. At least in this rare and unusual circumstance there is actually another book within the same printing run for someone to point to what the book is a “variant” of.
      And I don’t think anyone disingenuously calls that a “third printing variant”. They either call it the “retailer incentive edition”, and/or ( erroneously), an “RRP” (it isn’t that). But what it still is certainty not is a “variant” of the first printing.

  • NickeGz

    I think we can all agree that you are nerds …. or is it geeks ?

  • @Baltizar

    I would assume by your definition then that all DC B covers are reprimnts and not variants. The inside is identical to the A cover and according to you a different cover doesn’t make it a variant so all B covers are reprints of the A covers?

    Let’s just agree to disagree and leave it at that!

    • Where in the world did you get that from anything I said lol ? DC “B” covers are identified as such within their UPC’s and they have interior first print indicia. So do you know that that means ? They are NOT reprints.
      Do you know what books do not have any of that? Like the books mentioned in this article above ? REPRINTS.
      Again, you are attempting to conflate actual variants of first printings with REPRINTS, and reprints are not “variants” of first printings. Sorry.

      • Ben C

        “the first valid one anyone on here has actually made”

        So my “everyone can have their own opinion” and literally defining variant was not valid to you? The countless attempts by users here to politely disagree with you were not valid?

        I’ve grown weary of your incredibly self righteous “everyone is wrong but me and here’s why” attitude on the site. You never bring anything constructive to the table, just arguing and complaining…

        Thanks for being such a great contributing member of the site. Always so respectful of others and humble.

        Best of luck in the future to you teaching others why they are wrong.

  • Keith S.

    Thanks for reading and all the entertaining comments. Majority rules, no one sided with BG so I am not changing my stance on calling whatever I want a variant (as if I would anyway). My article, my rules. Thanks for playing.

    • Very good. But you might want to re-read some of those comments before believing “no one sided with BG” lol.
      And besides, you should be more concerned with being accurate than mob rule.

      • Keith S.

        not sure what’s inaccurate since no one agreed with you. called democracy, not mob mentality. good luck on your venture of saving the world.

        • FWIW I have over 20 years in one aspect of publishing or another, including comics for a period in 2012-2014 and Baltizar is correct with all of his central points (and I also see at least three other posters up above who also explicitly agreed with at least one or both of his points as well), which are, from what I can tell through all of the rigamoral, that later printings of books are not at all variants of the original first printings, and try as you might, second and later printings are not at all akin to first printings, whether the publisher changes the dust jacket (for a rare book) or the cover in any way (as with comic books). Either way they are second or later states (also called printings, that’s a tomato to-mah-to in terminology), and the publisher will be very clear with that on the inside of the book, if not on the cover. Anyone who is trying extra hard to convince you otherwise is most likely just trying to sell you something. At the end of the day that’s all you need to know to look at if you are confused about what is a first printing and what is a reprint.

          Hope my little two cents help.

          • Keith S.

            Thanks for your 2 cents. I don’t think anyone is trying to call these first printings by any means, just a variant to the original.

          • Ben C

            Appreciate the insight. The issues started with the high and mighty stance of BaltizarG which is unfortunately a pattern.

            Most folks are open to a rational discussion, but when they are insulted or their points declared wrong with out room for debate, things go sideways.

            Exactly what happened here.

            Again, appreciate your logical and rational explanation.

  • Ben Steiniger

    All that matters in all of this….Saga 4th print sells high.

    I guess I will just start calling later printings, mergawombas…just so i don’t get shamed by the word police for calling it a variant.

    • Keith S.

      Saga 4th print FTW!

      • Therein lies the confusion I think. Reprints are not variants to first prints. They are two completely different things, and legally they are required to be differentiated by the publisher. The first print is the first print and a reprint is a reprint. A reprint with a different cover is still a reprint. And because it is a completely separate run subsequent to the first printing, it is, by its very nature, not a variant of the first printing.

        • Ben C

          I think the complaint was orignally because of the Tec 880 not the 4th print…

          2 separate debates

          But again, broken record here but the term variant is pretty straight forward…

          • Oh okay I think I see where you’re coming from now.
            So just to clarify, for a cover to be a legal and actual variant of the first printing, the cover plate change needs to occur during the initial pressing of the issue, and it must have the same interior copyright information (often called indicia in the comic book world). When an issue goes back to press at a later time, you have yourself a reprint, with different interior copyright info, and the like, therefore that book is not a variant of the original first printing.

  • Mike Morello

    Mergawomba heat check… consider it coined!

  • wow–what a time suck. where’s the hot 10 😉

  • Mike Morello

    Honestly, semantics be damned, I don’t care what you call it, i still want one. Saga #1 4th mergawomba. Thanks, Keith, for the research on these.

  • And BG — it doesn’t have to be a first printing to be a “variant”. Any print run can have variant covers.

  • Matt DeVoe

    “I think I can help with the whole Pan/Pam dilemma” – Step Brothers

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