Subject 11: The Suicidal Speculation Squad
I kept quiet last week and let the dust settle a little on the Suicide Squad movie. Not every comic book related to a movie is going to become valuable. There's a huge amount of risk when it comes to speculation on a movie before it's released. It's always a gamble.
Also, keep in mind, the movie was called “Suicide Squad”. If you have ever read any of the comics, especially the Adam Glass's New 52 run, you’ll know characters die all the time. The Suicide Squad by very definition is a squad that goes on missions that would be deemed suicidal…. So wouldn't speculating and investing in books for characters in that movie be equally suicidal?
There was plenty of information in the trailers, IMDB and on various websites as to which Suicide Squad members would most likely make it out alive. As speculators, we don't have the luxury of not watching trailers because we don't want the film spoiled. We must watch those trailers. In many cases, a 15th viewing of the trailer could be the difference between making a good or bad investment.
If you're a Common fan, that shouldn't be your sole rationale for buying copies of Green Lantern Vol 2 #23, SKIN GRAFT: THE ADVENTURES OF A TATTOOED MAN #1 or Green Lantern Vol 4 #9. This is a great example of why your research needs to extend beyond the comics. There were three red flags for Tattoo Man. First was his character's name change to Monster T in the film. Considering there are three iterations of the Tattoo Man, we had no idea which one, if any Common would be playing. He ended up just being a guy with tattoos.
The second was, he's not on any of the poster. While this isn't always an indicator, with a group film like this, it was a dead give away. Third, Common stated in a interview his character's involvement in the movie was “a deal with the Joker”. He wasn't going to be around very long if his connection was the Joker. Add it up, just a really bad idea for an investment.
Fury of Firestorm vol 1 #28. People who bought SlipKnot's first appearance… All I can say is it was painfully obvious he wasn’t going to be around for very long. SlipKnot was a prop or plot device, not even really a character. He was going to be the first to get the bomb detonated… I “think” that's directly lifted from the first meeting between Capt. Boomerang and SlipKnot.
El Diablo #1 (2008). I do feel for people who bought into this version of El Diablo's first appearance. Everything in the trailers made it pretty clear to me he would sacrificing his life for redemption. His reluctance to use his power was also a dead giveaway. He seemed to be the one member of the squad that would trade his life in order to stop the unnamed evil… Which ended up being Enchantress, shocker.
The bright side is there's only about 11,000 copies of the book. Also Jay Hernandez who played Diablo in the movie is campaigning to have his character brought back for the sequel.
Strange Adventures #187. Enchantress… While it wasn’t as obvious as SlipKnot, Tattoo Man or El Diablo, it was clear from the trailers she was not going on missions with the rest of the squad. After reading an interview with actress Cara Delevingne, it was pretty clear she was going to play a major role. Since she isn't with the squad, it would have to be as the villain. Let's face it, in the trailers she doesn't have any scenes with the rest of the squad. So, if she’s the villain, it's unlikely she's going to be making it out alive. Regardless, it's a Silver Age DC key book, so there are worst things to be stuck with.
This scene from the trailer gave us a clue who “The Suicide Squad” was going to be. Rick Flagg, Deadshot, Katana, Harley, Killer Croc and Capt. Boomerang. It's also the line-up DC has been promoting with Rebirth cover art. While this can't always be an indicator… Sometime it can be helpful when the current comics reflect the movies, rather than the other way round.When you think about it, it makes sense for them to do it. Expect to see more of this type of foreshadowing from both DC and Marvel comics.
The Brave and the Bold #25. Rick Flagg was the one character I thought for sure was going to buy it in the movie. Since Flagg is leading the squad in both the comics and movie it probably makes sense to hold onto this till the sequel… If you have it.
The Brave and the Bold #200. I kinda feel for the people who backed Katana's books. However, when she showed up on CW’s Arrow, there was very little movement on her first appearance. Katana’s day is not really over yet. Hold these books rather than dumping them on the market. She still have some life left in her… It just may be a while. WB/DC does seem to be interested in the character. She appeared on the short lived CG Beware the Batman animated cartoon a couple years ago. She appeared again on the Arrow TV show and now a bit part in the Suicide Squad. So it’s clear DC/WB is trying to use her. It’s just going to take a little more time. Patients is the key for Katana.
Flash #117. Captain Boomerang. I’ve always hated this character. He’s the one guy I wish they would kill off every issue of Suicide Squad but he manages to stay around. Hold onto this, much like Katana, his time hasn’t really come… After all, he should be in the sequel if nothing else. He's also a regular member of the Squad in the comics. He will get a Most Wanted type mini series like Deadshot/Katana had. Also in the film he's a “brony“, which is why he has the pink stuffed unicorn. I could see interest from the MLP community just from that little nod. Imagine “IF” the brony element carried over into the Rebirth version of Capt. Boomerang. Don't laugh, Brony's money spends like anyone else's.
Batman #357. Not sure why people thought Killer Croc. was going to be a big thing, he never really has. I like the films take on him for the most part. Croc being one of Batman’s rogues and Jason Todd obviously makes this book a hold. Since Croc made it out and appears to be part of the main squad now, we’ll see him in the sequel.
Legends #1. Amanda Waller. If you’ve got her first appearances, hold onto these. Waller’s not done in the DC Cinematic Universe, not by a longshot. As mentioned on the podcast, she's the DCCU's Nick Fury… Except meaner, she'll literally shoot you in the back.
Detective Comics #474. Deadshot. Same thing, hold these., we haven’t seen the last of Deadshot. Regardless if Will Smith returns to the roll, I can see Deadshot appearing again on screen. Also Deadshot has been a key member of the squad for a while.
Batman Adventures #12, Batman:Harley Quinn #1, Mad Love, New 52 Suicide Squad #1. Harley’s one of the bright spot in the Suicide Squad movie. Her key books will be just fine regardless of how well the Suicide Squad movie does.
I'm a big proponent of the Harley getting free from the Joker, but I'm a huge supporter of a Joker that actually cares about Harley as the film presents. The Joker mounting 3 armed assaults to get Harley back, I thought that was the best part of the movie, personally. When has Joker ever lifted a finger to break Harley out of anywhere? Never.
There will always be time for Harley to break away of the Joker on the big screen. If you love the the character you should be happy something exists where her love for the Joker isn't completely one sided.
As for the Joker… when has the Joker ever been a member of the actual Suicide Squad? When has the Joker appeared in a Suicide Squad comic not in connection to Harley Quinn? Once maybe twice? So why did anyone think for two second his role would be anything more than in support of Harley, or in flashback? I get that people are mad. I’m not saying you don’t have a right to be, but you should probably be mad at yourselves. Sorry, I never expected him to have a major role in the film. Harley was always promoted to be the star. Nobody should have expected more Joker than Harley, that was just delusional.
Speculation for Suicide Squad was always gonna be russian roulette. Just because you're a fan of a character, that isn't enough for their role to be larger than what logic would dictate. Analyze what is most probably based on the trailers and additional sources you have available. Some of that information is going to be inaccurate, but speculation in general is inaccurate and really just a big gamble. Whenever you gamble, there's always both winners and losers.
Till next week.