Bloodshot Reborn #5 Dave Johnson 1:10 variant

oneyearlaterHello, and welcome back to another One Year Later discussion! This week we take a peek at a book that was released 52 weeks ago: Bloodshot #5 Johnson 1:10 variant (which pays homage to Amazing Spider-Man #50).

Bloodshot #5 Dave Johnson 1:10 Variant

Anything associated with Amazing Spider-Man #50 is popular, and it's by a fan-favorite cover artist who has produced numerous Marvel/DC variant covers with a popular retro 60's art deco theme. Take a look at Deadpool #900, Batman #40 Joker Mask movie cover, Catwoman #40 Bullet variant, and currently the Flash variant covers for DC. Again, a very good artist, NOT J Scott Campbell level, but not the bottom of the barrel either.

A year ago the Valiant Universe was making headlines with Divinity I wrapping up and lots of speculative talk. So here comes the BLOODSHOT REBORN #5 Cover D 10 COPY INCV JOHNSON variant cover. A retailer had to purchase 10 regular covers so they could get 1 copy of this. At 50% off, that meant they had to spend around 20 dollars to get this and the book was being sold around $12-16 dollars, so no retailer made a killing with this one. Looking back at the CBSI boards, most people said that it looked OK, some were big time cheerleaders of the book, while others had been burnt by Valiant too many times in the past and decided to sit this one out.

After 52 weeks, the people who were correct seem to be the already burnt by Valiant crowd. Looking on the Bay, there is a finished $0.99  auction winner of this book…OUCH!! Most sales at $7.99-9.99 are not sold, and the book is ICE COLD. Very niche market for Valiant and if you bought 52 weeks ago, sorry, you took a loss.

bust

7 comments

  • Khoi Cakes

    I wonder if this book is representative of Valiant spec overall?

  • Jared Barber

    Despite not having a single Valiant title as yet, I’ve come across them from time to time and with their comic movie series kicking into gear in 2017 I’m hearing their name more and more.
    As a new collector, the issue (sure, pun intended, why not right?) for me is that since I hear quite regularly on the podcast and around the collecting community, comments that make me think I should be avoiding Valiant comics, (at least as far as speculating goes), but without knowing comprehensively what those issues are, I’m curious whether or not I should be investing, or avoiding Valiant titles.
    I’m curious if there are any articles (CBSI or otherwise) detailing the history of why Valiant comics has such a well earned sense of general dislike and/or distrust among groups of collectors?

  • Well I don’t really collect Valiant either, but from what I heard and read over the last couple years or so has been nothing but positive!

    From a collectors and readers stand point Valiant, it seems, has been doig a great job with some really great stories.

    From a speculators/investors stand point, not so much. Aside from a couple exceptions (Divinity set and Issue #1 of Faith for example) not much market movement.

    If you are thinking of collecting Valiant in order to make money… tread carefully.
    Make sure you have correct movie info and try to buy low key issues related directly to the movies and go from there.

    But you are right to be apprehensive when it comes to Valiant.

  • Valiant is putting out, as far as the somewhat limited material I have read, exceptional books as far as the superhero genre is concerned.

    The first divinity 4 book run is one of the best limited series I have ever read, period. Divinity II has been nearly as outstanding. The current bloodshot run is great as well.

    I must warn readers, however, that I am one of the biggest Jeff lemire and Matt Kindt fluffers on earth.

    As far as speculation goes, unless it’s Harbinger #1, Eternal Warrior #4, Solar man of the Atom #3, and a few other early titles and a few really rare variants, you should “invest” elsewhere in my opinion.

    There probably are a few other first appearances that you could buy up for pocket change and wait and see with, but unless the movies really take off and turns on multitudes of potential new readers/collectors/investors, you’re probably not going to see anything resembling a large return.

    The material they are putting out should be read by anyone that enjoys the genre, however. Truly outstanding books being put out by valiant.

  • Moonstroke mostly nailed it when it comes to Valiant spec.

    The one other thing I’d add is that many of their higher ratio variant covers are tough to get and even tougher to get in top grades.

    This was only a 1:10 and frankly, despite being a Johnson, isn’t very attractive. That it went bust was entirely predictable.

  • Where do I start. If any of you have seen my posts in the forums you know I’m the biggest Valiant fan on this site. I have been since 1993. So seeing them come back in 2012 under the leadership of a true Valiant fan like Dinesh Shamdasani was not only a breath of fresh air, but a relief. When you love something you want it in the hands of someone who also loves it. You can google is name and find his awesome story about how and why he acquired the rights to the Valiant characters.

    Before Valiant was even a thing I was potty trained on Marvel, when I was a kid and discovered Batman my mind was blown. I still read books from nearly every publisher out there, but in my opinion Valiant is the only publisher that is pushing the superhero genre forward. And they are doing it without movies.

    There is more to spec than what’s being optioned, movies, and TV. The only problem Valiant is facing right now is a comic book audience that is afraid or not willing to depart from the norm (Marvel and DC), and truly invest in a new universe. Valiant is one of only 3 shared universes in comics. Period.

    Take our book in question. Bloodshot Reborn #5 variant. It was a bad spec for so many reasons first being that the spec was based on a Marvel homage rather than the merits of the actual book. Yes it’s a good read in an even better arc, but the issue itself didn’t have any significant events or first appearances. The cover was from a great artist, but not an “It” artist like JSC, Lee, or Turner, for example. Not to mention it’s only a 1:10 ratio. If it was a Marvel or DC book it would have been a no brainer that this would be a bust. So to use this book as an example of why you should or should not invest in Valiant is not only unfair but also a bit ignorant.

    We all know Marvel and DC lore. We all know what Marvel and DC characters and artists drive spec. If you are going to take a chance on a new book, get to know the publisher. With Valiant it isn’t hard. They only put out around 5-7 books a month, and have only been publishing this new Valiant Entertainment Universe since 2012.

    Like many have said here, their stories are some of the best in the business, they lead ‘Best of..’ lists and award noms every year, and they’re books have relatively minuscule print runs.

    It’s pretty limiting if you base spec only on weather the comic is going to some kind of video format. Valiant will do that when they feel it’s the right time. And by then folks that didn’t invest in them based on the quality of their comics alone will be left behind.

    I know I sound preachy but I want my fellow comic book community to embrace Valiant as I have. If I didn’t then I would just keep all this info to myself and profit from it down the line. Understand that Valiant comics from the 90’s are great books and contain the first appearances of all of the major players in the current line. However, they had ENORMOUS print runs. Eternal Warrior #4 (first appearance of Bloodshot) was over 100,000. And Bloodshot #1 had an unheard of 850,000 print run; it’s a worthless book spec wise, but a great read. Granted, that was over 20 years ago and many of those books didn’t make it to today. But when you look at the current print runs of most of their books hovering around the 6k-9k mark, and then the variant ratios being 1:10, 1:20, 1:50…there’s some amazing potential there. Some of the exceptions are those event books that get a media push like 4001AD and Faith.

    I’ve probably overstayed my welcome here, but I want you guys to know what you’re talking about, and I’m always available for info. And though I wish I did, I do not work for Valiant. I’m just a passionate fan.

    Also, EVERY SINGLE PERSON on the Valiant staff is always available and excited to talk with any of us about their books. They are the most involved and available people in the biz.

    Here are some links that might help educate.

    AC

    Dinesh Shamdasani’s story (Owner/CEO): http://www.scpr.org/programs/the-frame/2015/03/03/41788/valiant-ceo-wants-to-simply-just-make-great-comics/

    ValiantFans.com: http://www.valiantfan.com/

    Valiant Entertainment: http://www.valiantentertainment.com/

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